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Hand of Ruin · Sep 18, 2006, 09:02 AM // 09:02

Wth is going on? Im standing at ToA right now and watching a stream of bots, all Mo/W running into fow... it reminds me of the portal at droks...

Since when can a monk solo fow?? One of the monks I saw streaming in had a guild so I whispered her and asked what's she's soloing... then she turns her chat off...

Will this be yet another example of bots ruining the game for normal players? I'm pretty sure this is fairly new... but I have never heard of monks soloing fow, let a lone bots...

(and if you want to know how I know they are bots, it doesn't take a genius to spot one... all have no guild, random letter names like "gujiine" and all have the default monk skin... they are bots, don't argue about that)

Bloodied Blade · Sep 18, 2006, 10:00 AM // 10:00

...hypothetically it really wouldn't be hard to spirit bond or 55 FoW... not really hard to program either, since the only way anyone messes up in fow is player error. Spawns are never random enough that you can't program around them.

See, you're looking at this the wrong way- You're thinking "we've never been able to do it, so how can they?"... well, we've never been able to have one solo *100%* of FoW. We never said that we can't solo parts of it. Besides, there's like 10 million bots in Elona Reach on a saturday night (and really, not many at droks).

Oh...and are you sure you didn't get the satues confused?

Hand of Ruin · Sep 18, 2006, 10:57 AM // 10:57

I have like 800 spider legs in storage right now... i think I know which statue is which.

Shadow Mesmer:

Skills Used

* Channeling
* Empathy
* Illusion of Haste
* Shatter Enchantment

Skeletal Ether Breaker

Skills Used

* Chaos Storm
* Cry of Frustration
* Energy Surge
* Shatter Enchantment
* Sympathetic Visage

Doubter's Dryder

Skills Used

* Drain Enchantment
* Guilt
* Shame
* Shatter Enchantment
* Wastrel's Worry

There are some places I can think of a monk could solo, but how are they running there? They are using Mo/W, so with 0 strength sprint only lasts 8 seconds... Maybe spell breaker + sprint, but I dont know if thats really enough to get past some mobs on the way there...

Either way, bot farming at fow is something we shouldn't just accept... I want something done about this and it should be done in a way that doesn't completely screw over normal players either.

cerb · Sep 18, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

Just because you see many people doing one thing doesn't mean they are bots.

Probably none were, in fact.

Mr Crapsicle · Sep 18, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Quote:

See, you're looking at this the wrong way- You're thinking "we've never been able to do it, so how can they?"... well, we've never been able to have one solo *100%* of FoW. We never said that we can't solo parts of it. Besides, there's like 10 million bots in Elona Reach on a saturday night (and really, not many at droks).

I'm confused. Do you represent botters ? Who is we ? What's with the Elona reference ? Either way your programing needs an update. Elona has been throroughly ruined by "we" and has been for some time. Droks tails shortly behind it. I think you(we?) may be looking at this the wrong way, provided you are sentient. Many that enter these areas could care less about soloing any, all or part of them. They enjoy gaming with friends.

I agree with the OP. Over the last couple of weeks I too have seen a marked number of said bots entering both UW and FoW and I have my concerns about it as well. As a matter of fact, I think it sucks.

Please tell the hive that they are on the radar. I'm off to /kneel at Melandru now.

Avarre · Sep 18, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by Mr Crapsicle

I'm confused. Do you represent botters ? Who is we ? What's with the Elona reference ? Either way your programing needs an update. Elona has been throroughly ruined by "we" and has been for some time. Droks tails shortly behind it. I think you(we?) may be looking at this the wrong way, provided you are sentient. Many that enter these areas could care less about soloing any, all or part of them. They enjoy gaming with friends.

He said, quite clearly '[the OP] is thinking 'we've never been able to do it, so how can they?', where 'they' refers to bots and 'we' refers to the common players. By this he means, since average players cannot solo fow, they assume that the bots cannot.

trugx · Sep 18, 2006, 12:41 PM // 12:41

i have seen theese "bots" to and its a while ago i saw them start to do it.
i agree with hand of ruin.
i have also tried to whisper them and they do not say anything, but still this discussion isnt about whether it can be done or not. its abouot if its done with bots and problem is that IT IS DONE WITH BOTS.

TheMadKingGeorge · Sep 18, 2006, 12:44 PM // 12:44

they are not bots they are chinese sweat shop workers

TheMadKingGeorge · Sep 18, 2006, 12:47 PM // 12:47

they do not speak back because they do not speak english, they have a translator in the computer room in which they farm but he is only there to translate when someone is buying gold from them

Tommy · Sep 18, 2006, 02:06 PM // 14:06

these people aren't bots, i know the manager in the gaming sweatshop, he told me that his *office* has over 7000 *operators* farming in GW.they have a program to control multiple characters at the sametime. He said that one operator usucally can control 3 M/Wo, one in droknar, one in UW and one in Elona. These operators are *require* to give him 170k per day. otherwise they dont get paid.BTW, these operators are usually people from the farms, they can barely speak any of their own language(yes, their own which is chinese), they have some higher class operators there who are college students and they do the reply parts. but in fact, none of them are really bots. 7000x3 are alot of people farming... and there is just his office, he told me that they have multiple offices in the city. so. probably a few millions chinese farmers farming day and night for in-game golds. It is a fast-growing businese in China ATM. and it is really popular, in some mmorph, half the population is chinese farmers.

ilovecp · Sep 18, 2006, 02:14 PM // 14:14

That's disgusting.

Tommy · Sep 18, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by ilovecp

That's disgusting.

nothing disgusting

dont blame the farmers, blame the buyers

the farmers actually help lower the price for items by increase the supply, hp30 axe or bow grip are used to be 50 or 60k, now we can get it for less than 25k

that is the benefit of*Made In China*

Chinese gamers also like to farm, it is like a culture thing that makes chinese like to get involved into farming, i know a couple of real chinese players who do nothing but farming day and night, they told me that they only like to farm and they farm in all mmorph.The reason they playing is to farm, weird

but very interesting. Korean,Singaporean and other souther asian like to pvp, most native chinese players i met in all mmorph(who is not a farmer for in game gold) only do farming. They like to collect expensive items and harvest large amount of golds,and they dont join any guild, they dont talk to anyone, they just farm and farm until they are too tired and quit. I think that is why most people think that they are botters, but in fact they just like to farm without talking to anyone, they like the feeling i guess.They also told me that there is no reason to kill each others for nothing.Western Gamers farm gold to buy gears for pvp, Chinese gamers farm gold to buy gear for farming,kinda offtopic

but it is an interesting topic, maybe we can do more research on it

but the thing is that, none of these chinese Mo/W are bots, they are real players who can't speak, and they are not intelligent enough to do anything other than farming the way their managers trained them. well, they got paid only 4 cents a hour what do you expect anyway

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Kcp · Sep 18, 2006, 02:32 PM // 14:32

Those Mo/w's arent bots. I've invited a few of them when I was soloing fissure with my necro because I also noticed them going in by themselves. Everytime I managed to get one to party and go inside the fow they never lived past the first group of 10 shadows I rounded up. They would die, watch me slay the first group of 10, I smile, they leave.

I really thought they were chest running or something. Everytime they used Shield of judgement so they arent chest running.

All that enchant removal down there isnt a problem as a 55 hp, it's just not effecient at all to solo FoW with a monk primary imo. All the other classes do it so much better down there. If they were bots they would be using other primaries for soloing fissure to maximize profit.

Tommy · Sep 18, 2006, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by trugx

i have seen theese "bots" to and its a while ago i saw them start to do it.
i agree with hand of ruin.
i have also tried to whisper them and they do not say anything, but still this discussion isnt about whether it can be done or not. its abouot if its done with bots and problem is that IT IS DONE WITH BOTS.

1)why they are not reply is that they dont know what you are saying,try to ask your chinese friend to whisper them in chinese and they will reply.
2)again, these ppl are not BOTS, they are *operators* who are controlling probably 3+ characters farming at the sametime, they got work at their hands and no time for little chatting

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3)BTW,chinese gamers dont talk when they are playing. If you got any chinese in your country and you observe the way they work. you will find out that they dont talk. The chinese people in my town dont talk much either, i work with one chinese and he barely speak a single word in the whole day. they dont talk dont make them a botter

! i have a canadian chinese guidie in my old guild who never say a single word in guild chat or ts for 8 months(he is on everyday)

Ima Hob0 · Sep 18, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

these people aren't bots, i know the manager in the gaming sweatshop, he told me that his *office* has over 7000 *operators* farming in GW.they have a program to control multiple characters at the sametime. He said that one operator usucally can control 3 M/Wo, one in droknar, one in UW and one in Elona. These operators are *require* to give him 170k per day. otherwise they dont get paid.BTW, these operators are usually people from the farms, they can barely speak any of their own language(yes, their own which is chinese), they have some higher class operators there who are college students and they do the reply parts. but in fact, none of them are really bots. 7000x3 are alot of people farming... and there is just his office, he told me that they have multiple offices in the city. so. probably a few millions chinese farmers farming day and night for in-game golds. It is a fast-growing businese in China ATM. and it is really popular, in some mmorph, half the population is chinese farmers.

that would explain something to me. everytime i see someone at forge saying "selling gold avicara armors 3k each/7 for 20k-good for you", i ask how they got so much gold armor. They are always a Mo/W, and either do not respond, or say something like, "you buy armor ?" or "good buy for you armor".

Amity and Truth · Sep 18, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Three key "words"

Smiting
605
Skeletal Army

Hand of Ruin · Sep 18, 2006, 02:56 PM // 14:56

Actually, what build they are using is not important... its the fact that bots/operators/whatever you want to call them are using fow for their new source of gold...

Fow is like the one scantuary farmers have left. Were we can farm and be satisfied with our run... We can actually be sure to make a nice buck there with a little effort.

Troll farming was once great, chinesefarmers caught on - NERFED. Look at griffons, minotars, hydras... anytime a good spot is found that can be mass farmed it gets nerfed to shit.

So yea, act like you dont care now, but just hope anet doesn't take the easy fix and just switch the drop rates to pure shit...

Amity and Truth · Sep 18, 2006, 03:17 PM // 15:17

*shrugs* Doubt it all you want. It's actually where i'm farming my money and it doesn't require rocket science either. It's not hard to run through. A 605 is nowhere nearly as fragile as many think. Stripped enchantment? lol just fricking recast it.

Stank Tank · Sep 18, 2006, 06:04 PM // 18:04

If they have the words angel, love or nice in their names they are "operators"--the commander of the operators says Americans like those kinda names, feel safe buying from them, etc. We even buy fiery hilts for 6k.

Bloodied Blade · Sep 18, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Mr Crapsicle

I'm confused. Do you represent botters ? Who is we ? What's with the Elona reference ? Either way your programing needs an update. Elona has been throroughly ruined by "we" and has been for some time. Droks tails shortly behind it. I think you(we?) may be looking at this the wrong way, provided you are sentient. Many that enter these areas could care less about soloing any, all or part of them. They enjoy gaming with friends.

I agree with the OP. Over the last couple of weeks I too have seen a marked number of said bots entering both UW and FoW and I have my concerns about it as well. As a matter of fact, I think it sucks.

Please tell the hive that they are on the radar. I'm off to /kneel at Melandru now.

Avarre is correct, I'm not representing bots. I just worded my first post very badly. Personally, I don't care much about soloing FoW either. I just do it when I really need shards or a friend wants some help learning how. As for my reference to Elona Reach, it was meant as an example of locations with numbers of these so-called "bots" (which according to above posters are thousands of chinese in a small room).